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Poster: stbalbach Date: Oct 30, 2008 7:50am
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Will Google be 'illegally' charging for post-1922 PD books?

Good point. It's funny, Google was accused for being "evil" for putting copyright works online for free - now they are being accused of putting public domain works online for a fee - they can't win! My understanding is they set the 1923 date to be safe since they were still in negotiations with publishers and didn't want to take any chances and everyone could agree that pre-1923 was safe and there was no controversy.

The 1923-65 are more complicated to determine. Now they have the settlement maybe they will start a project to make those works available that are in the PD. There is also a new database which authors can register copyright status and resolve the orphan works problem, may be related.

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Poster: Jim Carlile Date: Oct 30, 2008 1:59pm
Forum: texts Subject: Re: Will Google be 'illegally' charging for post-1922 PD books?

It'll be interesting to see what happens. Google still won't release a lot of pre-1923 scans, especially if there are post-1923 reissue versions around. They boast about having the renewal records in their database, so it's probably time they start using them. The Internet Archive does.

Another question: the settlement stipulates that Google will institute a JSTOR-like subscription model for colleges, etc. where patrons can download newer books for free. Nice idea- (though it does create a monoculture and encourage libraries to toss their hard copies.)

But, will the host libraries like UC and Michigan be able to get a FREE subscription, for allowing Google to scan their own books? Why not?

Or will they be forced to pay Google for access to-- their own books?! I hope someone in the legal depts at these schools are on the ball, and get a negotiated freebie. The host libraries certainly deserve it.

I have a sneaky feeling that none of this is going to come easy, and Google will end up owning all of these books, with a fee model attached to most of them, even the PD ones. This is what ususally ends up happening in time.